Dr. Hussain Mithaiwala shares why telemedicine isn’t for everyone. In this episode, he offers candid insights into his reservations about virtual care, patient safety concerns, and why some physicians prefer to stick with traditional medicine.
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While telemedicine is growing rapidly, not every physician is eager to jump on board.
Dr. Hussain Mithaiwala shares why he prefers practicing in person. He discusses the importance of the "eyeball test" in patient care, the potential pitfalls of virtual-only evaluations, and his concerns about collaborating with unfamiliar providers.
Dr. Mithaiwala emphasizes that while telemedicine reduces barriers for patients, it also raises questions about quality, safety, and physician liability.
His biggest hesitation?
Trust—both in technology and the people providing care under his name.
Listen to his perspective on the burnout driving many doctors to telemedicine and why, for him, the trade-offs aren’t worth it (yet).
Telemedicine isn’t just a side gig—it’s a movement. Telemedicine Talks empowers physicians to explore digital health, find sustainable work-life balance, and make informed decisions about their careers—without the hype.
🔹 Dr. Hussain Mithaiwala is a board-certified anesthesiologist with years of experience in providing safe and effective anesthesia care. He completed his residency at the Cleveland Clinic, where he trained in perioperative management, pain control, and optimizing patient outcomes in surgical and procedural settings. Dr. Mithaiwala is dedicated to ensuring patient comfort and safety while working closely with surgical teams to deliver the best possible care.
About the Hosts:
🔹 Dr. Leo Damasco – A pediatrician and emergency medicine doctor who transitioned into telemedicine, finding flexibility and new opportunities along the way.
🔹 Phoebe Gutierrez – Former state regulator turned startup executive, now helping companies and physicians build smarter, compliant, and sustainable telemedicine businesses.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pkgutierrez/
Email: phoebe@telemedicinetalks.com
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[00:00:00] I know we got people all editing this out in the background, so I didn't blah blah blah. Okay. Yeah. Here we go. Okay. Hey everyone. So today on Telemedicine Talks, we have a guest. He's an anesthesiologist and one of my dear friends. And he's stuck with me because he is my friend's husband. So unfortunately we have Hussein here today to join us and talk a little bit about telemedicine, his thoughts on it and why.
He prefers to just continue doing traditional medicine outside of virtual care. So welcome. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Hey thanks. Thanks for jumping along, man. Totally appreciate it. This is cool. This is cool. Because as this podcast is all about, hey, the cool stuff about telemedicine, why we love it and why we think everybody could play a part in it.
And it's awesome to get a contrasting view or a view where hey, somebody, doesn't necessarily think [00:01:00] that, they could get in telemedicine or it may not be the best for them. I obviously made a livelihood of it and I think everybody could be a part of it, but I think this contrasting view or, a different take in it, because I'm obviously very biased, is super important for people to hear.
Dude, thank you so much for joining us and providing your views. Awesome.
Oh, I was just gonna say, like, Why don't you give your little bio? Okay Hussein before we jump in, why don't you just give a little bit about your background, how long you've been practicing, and, like why you became a physician in the first place?
Sure. The same as Iowa. I'm an anesthesiologist. I started I I guess I got interested in medicine. I guess like how a lot of people, they probably had some event happened in their lives. So my mom had breast cancer when I was at a young age, like I was around 10 years old. And so I was around like nurses and my mom going to the hospital all the time and getting treatments and that kind of stuff.
So I got exposed to medicine that way. And so at that age, I thought I might go that [00:02:00] route did the whole undergrad thing, had a degree in economics, and then I graduated right around the financial crash. Originally I thought I was going to work for a few years and then go to medicine, but there was like no jobs in finance at that time.
Went straight to medicine, graduated medical school in 2015 did residency in Cleveland until 2019, and then stayed on as staff over there for a couple years. COVID happened during like my first year as an attending and that kind of changed the landscape of some of the jobs and how things were going in the hospitals.
And then I had a buddy that was living in the Bay Area and he was like, if you need a job out here like I can easily get you one. And so I just took him up on that offer, got a job out here and then we moved out here and we've been out in the Bay Area for 4 or 5 years now working there.
Awesome. Awesome. And again, thanks for jumping on. Now, um, like we were saying, I, I definitely want to discuss and delve further into kind of your views in [00:03:00] telemedicine. Yeah, in general, just basically what do you think about it? What's your feel and you know, we know that you don't necessarily think or want to go into it.
What's the barriers behind that? And I think sorry, just to say, too one of the reasons why I personally know that your viewpoint's on telemedicine is just because, I've talked to, your wife, and we've talked, I've been like, why doesn't he try to do medical directorships?
Why doesn't he try to do these things? Like he never would he doesn't even trust people in the hospital. Yeah, so it's not, yeah okay, so my thoughts on telemedicine I agree. I think there is a need for it. I think anytime you can get decrease the barriers for patients to see physicians or medical providers in general, I think is good.
And there's. Certain visits, I think that it would be helpful for even for me, I hate going to the doctor, right? And I'm a physician. It's I don't like waiting in the waiting room or doing all that kind of stuff. Things [00:04:00] that confuse me, and you, obviously, you're going to know way more At, for some appointments, it's probably fine, but then Usually when you go to the doctor, there's certain things that you need vitals blood pressure, heart rate O2 sat A lot of things, I think, in medicine, we just need The basics covered and that can probably treat if we just had blood pressure control or we had, like appropriate weight and activity and exercise like that would benefit the population well and so if we don't get some of those values, I think it won't like, if you don't get a correct way or correct blood pressure, that's like part of your treatment that you can't even do correctly.
But then for me, it's like how you were saying before, like how I don't trust people. It's more like I just don't. It's not that I have a problem. I trust myself. And so I know what I was taught and how to treat and I'm not necessarily sure of everyone else. And so having somebody under my license is what scares me.
I wouldn't, the thing about what I tell medicine is like you have, you're doing collaborations and [00:05:00] I'm not sure who the other person fully is on the other side, how well they're trained. Are they prescribing medications? I don't agree with. That kind of stuff is what scares me. It's not that like I'm opposed to telemedicine itself.
Cause I think there is like a benefit to it in that sense. And what's your feel or thoughts about, providing care virtually instead of face to face, would you do it? What's, and if not, why not? I feel like certain, so for if it was a site visit or that kind of thing I feel like that is.
I don't know, part of me, I just like seeing people in face to face, right? It's like different. Like even for a podcast, like if it was in person, like you get like a drink or something like that. It's like different. Like maybe I'm just like old school in that sense. But yeah it decreases barriers to entry.
So for like certain fields, it's just I get nervous with certain things like a general practitioner visit, because just throwing eyes on a page, like when I read in a chart, like even for an anesthesia, if I see a chart of somebody, they'll be like, oh, this person has COPD, they [00:06:00] have coronary artery disease, they're on like oxygen, this and that, they're like, on paper, the patient might look really sick.
But when you see them in person, you're like, oh it doesn't match up to the paper. And I think that it's called the eyeball test, right? And it's very important it's just like an ER, right? Yeah. And I feel like for like certain visits that's going to be missed and like it may be beneficial.
Like maybe you're seeing 100 patients instead of 50. So the extra 50 people that you saw with the telemedicine you got some benefit from, but then also you might miss some things that without that real eyeball test that you wouldn't get if you didn't get them in real life. No, totally understandable, right?
Cause really in, in telemedicine, right? It's like this, we're, this is the eyeball test. Yeah. And sometimes, you can look great up top. You look great up top. Now, yeah, but you don't know the rest, right? You can't hear, you can't feel it's just really one or two cents.
So no, totally understand kind of that, that that view. Now do you think there's. You said, yeah, there's a role in it, so forth and [00:07:00] so on. Would you be comfortable doing any type of telemedicine? So there's, so like anesthesia, we don't really have clinic stuff, right? We have one thing of a clinic, it's called like a with the anesthesia, like preoperative anesthesia clinic, right?
And when I was in residency, the, your, before you had surgery, if there was like a case that you thought was like high risk or the patient was higher risk, they would come to that clinic like, a couple of weeks before their surgery. And you do you talk to the patient, run all their tests, you get look at their airway, examine them, that kind of stuff.
And then you would approve them, or if you need to run more tests say, you need an echo or an EKG, that kind of stuff, you put those orders in. So in that sense, they've started doing these, it's called the clinic. As a taught medicine clinic and so we have an RNN that like runs through the paper, like the chart sees like their diagnosis and then I'll get.
Text or email being like, Hey, do you want further tests? You want an echo and EKG, that kind of stuff. And they're doing this all like probably like from home or from their, like the nurses, like from their home or their office or whatever. And they're calling, it's just that's calling the patient [00:08:00] telemedic tele, but, and then if there's something that we think like the airway might be difficult or something like that, then you call them into the actual hospital and then you have an anesthesiologist come by and check.
I think that is a very good. Use of the resources, especially because they've seen the surgeon beforehand and they've gotten all those vitals and you have a blood pressure, like a recent that, like the recent labs, all that kind of stuff. Yes, they saw a doctor recently in person, but then do you really need them to go in just to see an anesthesiologist before the surgery, just to make sure their labs and likes are appropriate.
You can just look at it online and then it, unless it's difficult. Yes, that is okay. But like others, like most of my job, you can't ever do telemedically, right? I'm in the OR putting patients to sleep, waking them up. And so that's probably the extent of what you're going to get an anesthesiologist to do telemedically.
No, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And in difficult airways can't you just tell the patient to put like the fingers underneath their chin and say, ah, really big and open your mouth bigger. Yeah. Just be [00:09:00] like, oh, okay. You're good. I'm hoping eventually we'll get to a point where there's like a robot that can intubate and I can do it from home and then open your mouth.
I'm going to put this tube in. And then somebody turned the machine on and then and you can practice anesthesia from your coffee break. You don't have to break it. Yeah, it's from Hawaii too. Yeah. The surgeons have their da Vinci machine. Dude. Yeah. The anesthesiologists are coming.
Yeah. Yeah, this is this is all copyrighted information, right? No one can steal any of the information we talk about in this podcast. Okay. Yeah, yo, you heard it here first. Yes. Hussain's got the cat. I want 20%. Done deal. Yeah. Done deal. Alright we go off in tandems. Sorry, guys.
Have a different kind of a question. I have a different kind of question. And this is mainly just because after after working with so many physicians that are now. In my opinion, the reason that many doctors are going into the telemedicine side is not so much because they really want to or they don't want to do brick and mortar.
It's this whole idea of I think people I think they're just really tired of [00:10:00] having to work so many hours and then having to do all the charting and having to do all the documents. For me, it's it's just this like total burnout. And so on like the flip side of as I see this trend and now, like I have, I've gotten to work with one anesthesiologist who quit brick and mortar and now is doing, I think she does a lot of like weight loss and women's health, like Leo had already said, but what is your thought process to where do you think you're ever going to hit that breaking point to where you're like, I don't like this anymore?
I think that's a loaded question. Oh, no it's no I actually talk about this like with my wife and stuff all the time because she always wanted to do medicine, didn't go that route. And I think she's envious of me being like a physician and I get to go to work and you see what you do at the end of the day.
And that kind of there's some, it is nice, but I'll complain about the same thing. I'd be like, I'm 36 and I was like, oh, by 40, I hope to not be taking like. Call or as much call or like it's these like hours between working from when you're in the OR, you start at [00:11:00] 7am, right?
7 to 3 is fine. It's like this working at like 10pm, midnight, 2am for these like cases that come in the middle of the night. And then the next day you're like burnt out. And it's I don't know how ER doctors do it because like they that's every day for them. Like they'll be working 7am one day and then midnight the next.
And it's like those shifts are the ones that kind of. Destroy your lifestyle and you're like, it just burns you out. And I think everyone I know is feeling that. And so I can see why people would want to go they go to tell me something. It's like more of an easy life, which isn't the right way.
I want it to approach it. Because that's the thing I don't like about. Parts of my field people will supervise multiple rooms and you can go about it two ways Like you can be really involved in the care or you can just be like hands off and oh, yeah They'll figure it out if they need me, they'll call me that type of stuff and that's not the approach that I like and that's what I don't like about Telemedicine in the sense that you can probably be supervising a bunch of people and if you wanted [00:12:00] you can just be like Oh, you just use my name as my license and like I'll just sign off on or whatever And it's I'm not that way, like I'm very hands on with everything and I would hope other people are too, but realistically it's not, that's not the case.
No, and there's definitely different schools of thoughts for that too. You've been collaborating or working with mid levels, nurse practitioners, so forth and so forth. A big part of telemedicine for sure. But there's a big community in telemedicine. We know one or two doctors that are very vocal about it.
Yeah, that yeah, they don't do it. They don't want to they don't feel they don't necessarily feel that there's value, but they feel that yeah This is an encroachment of kind of what physicians do and physicians need to own this space and you know to some extent. Yeah, there's a point there no, that's awesome. And I think it's really important too, because I think sometimes like what I always tell like all the physicians that we work with is if you burned yourself out in the let's say you just hated [00:13:00] being an ER doctor and then you go and you're doing telemedicine and it's all like acute care, like the same type of thing.
Like you're also not going to that probably either. And so to me, it's this. I think it's interesting because in, in telemedicine, you are able to figure out different areas that you could potentially focus on and enjoy, whether it's like a different kind of practice or like that, like some doctors really like the collaborating aspect because they actually liked the education piece.
So like they're spending a lot of time investing into those practitioners that they're supervising. But then, like you said there's the doctors that just don't give two cares in the world and are just like, where's, my monthly payment. I think there's, like, all kinds of sides, but to your point I think you, it's, you have to do it for yourself and it has to be something that you're into.
Otherwise, you're just still gonna be unhappy, just, with money. And it's the same thing with I don't, this is my ignorance of telemedicine I don't know enough about this, but the reason that I'm not involved in it is because I [00:14:00] don't, No, like how malpractice works or like, how are you using my name?
Is it the if there's a visit seen by an NP or PA, and then it's not the right diagnosis or something happens, like it, and I don't even know enough about that field or I don't feel comfortable with it. Or, for certain things I'm super hands on and they didn't run it by me. And then there's like a.
And it doesn't even have to be like a bad outcome. It's just not the outcome that you would have preferred. Then what happens, right? And it's not even about just like litigation. So sometimes it's who's at fault even in that scenario, that kind of stuff. And it's not the type of care that you want and that you want to be associated with your name.
Like I've, yeah, like my name, I like, it's like a brand for something. Like when people come to me for the hospital or something like that, they know who, like the type of person I am. And I want that to be. with every case that I am involved with. No, that's tough. And it takes it takes a mentality, it takes experience working, but you have to trust the people that you work with, right?
Yeah. And if you're gonna work with a lot of people, sometimes, and [00:15:00] not being hands on it's different. When I collaborated or worked with NPs or PAs in the hospital, we're face to face, we're actually there, yeah. Being patient. Like, how do you even know who's good? Like, how do you know which PAs and stuff, like?
Exactly, I don't know. Yeah, I know. That's why this is I know Phoebe's tried to get me out. I'm like, dude, I don't. I don't know who's I'm sorry. I just don't trust people. I don't know. Yeah. You can like one, I don't know if I trust these people too. I don't want my license associated with this three.
I don't know if the care is going to be at the level I want, like for know how they pay. And is it like even worth it? Like for you, I don't know how, like for however much money compared to what I can make as an anesthesiologist does it even matter if I'm making a couple of grand more, for all this extra work that I don't know, these are all valid questions and this is awesome. Being able to talk to you like this, because these are the questions that very common questions that people ask when they're thinking about jumping in, right? Thinking about actually doing telemedicine, so forth and so on.
So it's great being able to talk about that, but no, that's cool. [00:16:00] Another kind of question. And telemedicine. It's it's newer. It's been here for forever, but now it's blown up. Um, and sometimes there's some sort of stigma behind it. Hey, these are just doctors who maybe can't cut it, face to face or so forth and so on.
Do you have any feelings about that? Any thoughts about that? It's a different kind of medicine. It may it's just different, right? It's not, what you trained to do. Yeah. I don't necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. I don't necessarily like. I'm sure in terms of like lifestyle, it's like nice, right?
If you have a family or kids or something like that, you can work around your hours as a telemedicine doctor. I don't think it necessarily is like, Oh, like the ones that are really good are going to be capable of going to a hospital and actually working in the ones that are like, what hacks or something that can't get.
Credential that hospitals are doing telemedicine. I don't think that's the case because it used to be like that, even for like locums doctors, right? Like temporary anesthesiologist used to be like, Oh, the ones that couldn't get credentialed at hospitals or hold a full time job would be that I think people just got burnt out.
And then not like for the pay for locums is [00:17:00] really high. And I think the lifestyle for telemedicine is probably really high. And so people who need that lifestyle job are going to go for it. It's just getting I'm just worried. Is the care and I don't know if there's like studies and stuff. Honestly, I've been researching up is the care you get from telemedicine equivalent to the care you get when you see people face to face that I would like to know that's a valid question.
I know there's some studies like I'm not even going to try to pull up the studies on top of my head, but yeah, no, that's a great question, right? Because again we value care, right? First and foremost, it's all about patient care, right? Standard care. Is it safe care? And it's supposed to be right there's rules, there's regulations almost every single state has it that a physician who is delivering care has to provide the same standard of care that they would in, you know, I get what you say on paper that's fine.
But Does it happen? It's not even it's not like intentionally happening or not, it's is it physically possible? [00:18:00] Can you even do it? I can't use a stethoscope, I can't listen to your heart rate, lungs, I can't get like true vitals. I can't see you physically. So in that sense, if it affects it I don't know if you can get the same care for certain things.
It doesn't matter, right? If you're a radiologist and you're looking at imaging, can you do it from home or can you do it from the hospital? It's the same difference. You're not seeing the patient. But for certain things I don't know. It's just a question. I don't I don't, I haven't looked into it, because I don't do telemedicine, but I think it's dependent.
I think you're, I think the point it would be, like, I think it's probably heavily dependent. To your point I also don't know if doctors really use stethoscopes anymore. With remote patient monitoring. I know every picture you see a doctor with a stethoscope. Yeah.
Come on. Yeah. You need a stethoscope around your neck. There's like few instances, right? You can get like an x ray for the most part or something like that. I get it. But, I think it depends. There's certain things I didn't realize and me and your wife actually learned this together, that they have like at home Botox now.
Yeah. Yeah. Where you can. Go online. I could get an evaluation with a mid level. They would actually send somebody out [00:19:00] to my house and do a Botox injection. While a nurse comes to your house? Yeah. There's Botox parties. So who is who is Who's licensed? Can a regular NP or do they have to be supervised by somebody for that?
So it depends on what state you're at. A lot of states. Now what if you have some whack, like Botox job, then who's in on? These are the things that I'm like, somebody asked me the same thing. They wanted me to supervising doctor for the Botox thing. I'm like no, not me. I don't want some crazy thing happening.
And then my name is on that chart right now. No it's just like in California, it has to be owned by a doctor. So if a nurse practitioner wants to have, run Botox parties, yeah. Somebody's name has to be on it or somebody has to technically own the company. There's a whole bunch of states, more than half the states.
Yeah, somebody I work with asked me to be the supervising doctor. I'm like, you know what? My wife actually works for a company that can hook you up with a doctor that would be willing to supervise you. It's not going to be me. I know in a lot of anesthesiologists, they go into the IV hydration business.
Yeah. Hey, they go in here in Honolulu, people go out and party and the next day they're [00:20:00] like, Oh, I need some IVs. And yeah, there you go. So same deal, right? Yeah. See, like that okay, obviously I can put like IVs and stuff. But what if they're like CHF or something like that, you don't know anything about their health and you're giving them a fluid.
Obviously I'm thinking like way too much into this, like the chance of that. You have to, right? You have to, because let's say, the nurse that's working under you puts an IV in somebody with CHF and puts a liter or two and, decompensates them. And next thing they end up seeing me.
See, like they, I think people like. If you're not a physician, like the things we think about, you're living for the one percents, right? 99 percent of the time everything's gonna be fine even for in my job I'm paid for the 1 percent of the time that it's a very complicated situation, so I'm always thinking of A, B, C, D, E, F, G and so, yeah, that's why I'm, like, so very I don't know, I'm, like, critical about every little thing.
I think you have a brain of a physician. Every single physician that I talk to, I'm like, this is never gonna happen. I got a text from a doctor yesterday that actually was like Is this person [00:21:00] gonna sabotage me? They have my license number. Yeah. I'm like, The person's not gonna go out of their way to sabotage me.
I think we're just so worried. There's so much litigation and stuff in the States, too. And it's and it's very annoying. Even for me we're doing like, This has nothing to do with telemedicine, but we do stuff like in the hospital and it's you're doing things literally because it has to be documented that way because if something happened or you're running these tests and it's this test probably like the chance of it changing my care at all ever is probably like Maybe once in my lifetime, it'll change my care, but we're doing it for every single patient now.
And so it's like a huge waste of money. And so I think it runs through our heads. If this wasn't a litigious country, I would be way more willing to do telemedicine. If I didn't have to worry about ever being sued, then yeah, sure. I'll try to help out. I think that comment goes on conversely too.
If we're not that worried about being sued, I don't think the burnout. As much burnout is going to be there in brick and mortar as well, right? Yeah. Because you're like, oh man every time you put an order in the hospital, really anywhere, you're just like, oh man, that 1%, [00:22:00] what if, right?
Yeah. Yeah that's a sad commentary on yeah, that's like days to talk about all we're being super optimistic here. It's sad though, right? All the people in especially like my gen, that's like the 30 to 40 year old age, like everyone's trying to find a way out of medicine, right?
It's sad because it's like you worked like 10 years to get to this point, I did four years of med school, four years of residency. Now I've been out for six years. And so it's like I've been out shorter than my training to get to this point and people are already trying to find a way out.
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It's not as cool being indoc anymore, remember? Yeah. And like for me, I live in the Bay Area, it's like the tech bro central, right? Like I'm paid less than like most of the people I'm working around. Like it used like in, when I'm in the, when I was in Cleveland, like I was a king, but over here I'm like second class citizen. Oh, you're next to the Facebook guys. So yeah. I'm like, here, lemme move my car. So you can get your Ferrari through and then, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. [00:23:00] Oh man. I guess last question, cause we were hitting up on time. Yeah, sorry, tangents, lots of tangents.
No, this is awesome. And hopefully, maybe we get you back again, who knows? Is there, give me a scenario where you would work telemedicine. Give me your ideal okay, this has to, this is it. A, B, C, D, this is what it has to be for me to actually. Completely honest. Me, like the only time I do telemedicine is like maybe in 10 years when I'm like, don't, I don't want to do anesthesia anymore.
Pays equivalent, like it would have to pay me the same amount of money that I'm making as an, I'm not going to do this to make three, four or 5, 000 extra on the side. Like it's not worth it for me as like for my license. It has to pay me the same as what I'm doing. And I can do it from home and it's like the workload is like similar or less to what I'm doing already.
And it's like less stressful. I feel I'm competent with my job and or so it's it's not like very stressful day to [00:24:00] day for me. There are stressful situations. This whole telemedicine thing is it's just like when my wife talks, it's stresses me out. I'm like, there's people with my name and my license.
I don't know if I'm gonna get sued, like they're gonna prescribe things like all that. I want that to be like easy and then I want to get paid the same and like it to be less work than I'm doing now. And that's like the only way I would consider it. Which I don't know if that's ever going to happen.
Maybe it can. I'm probably not going to do telematics. I'm not a reasonable human being. So I'm probably not going to do it. You're going to die in the OR. We're going to find you. I'll probably drop down to three days a week at some point. And just, yeah. Yelp clouds from the or something. I don't know.
Awesome. Phoebe, you got any closing questions? I'm sorry. Like I, I don't know. It's why we brought you along. We need to hear that people need to hear this. And It definitely gets people thinking hey Or if the mid levels were people that I personally knew and vetted they weren't randoms, that I would feel comfortable because then I know, like, how big they are, like, I don't, I just, I [00:25:00] have trust issues with medicine stuff and with my license.
And so you should, right? Yeah. There's, and, if anybody tells you otherwise, then, yeah, you're just putting it out there, right? Yeah. Definitely should. Yeah. I think you're thinking about it the right way and the smart way. I think. Yeah I see all kinds. I see physicians that throw their licenses around like willy nilly.
And then I see physicians like you who are like, and I think that's, I think, Oh, go ahead. No, I think if I was like a family medicine doctor or an internal medicine doctor and this was like up my alley you're doing like clinical work. Like I don't ever do clinic.
So it's all right. Like I hate clinic. Like you want anesthesia because you hate writing notes and you hate doing clinic and you hate like. All that kind of stuff. So it's like me doing telemedicine is like literally all the stuff that I hate about medicine, like charting and like documenting. And I don't feel like I'm doing like physical, like work, whereas I'm intubating and like making sure patients lie, like all that kind of stuff is but there's people who love that, who love like just chart diving and like looking at like sodium levels and all that kind of stuff.
And that's probably for them. So who are you [00:26:00] hanging out with? Internal med doctors. I don't know. Definitely not ER doctors. Yeah. Thank you so much for spending your Saturday afternoon with us. Super awesome. Thank you so much for being like open and honest and really transparent with us.
Welcome. Thanks for having me. Hey, thanks a lot. Okay. And hey guys, check out the show notes. And yeah, we'll see you next time. Alright guys. Podcast. That was awesome. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, no, this.