Host Leo Damasco welcomes Dr. Nancy Sharma, to discuss her journey from traditional medicine to founding Thrive Integrative Cancer Care. She shares insights on blending conventional treatments with alternative approaches, emphasizing nutrition, mindfulness, and quality of life for cancer patients.
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In this episode of Telemedicine Talks, host Leo interviews Dr. Nancy Sharma, as she recounts her path into medicine, inspired by her physician family, and her pivot to oncology after her grandfather's battle with multiple myeloma. She explores the integration of conventional treatments with alternative methods like nutrition, acupuncture, and functional medicine, highlighting how major institutions like MD Anderson are adopting similar approaches. Discussing telemedicine's role in her practice, she emphasizes patient empowerment, mitigating side effects, and preventive lifestyle changes. Dr. Sharma offers advice on diet, exercise, mindfulness, and self-belief, reflecting on regrets from patients and the importance of work-life balance. This episode is crucial for physicians and patients interested in holistic cancer care and telemedicine innovations.
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Dr. Nancy Sharma is a board-certified medical oncologist and hematologist with over 15 years of experience, licensed in all 50 states. Honored as a Top Doctor by Seattle Magazine for four years, she founded Thrive Integrative Cancer Care, blending conventional oncology with integrative approaches like functional medicine and nutrition. Inspired by her grandfather's cancer battle, she advocates for holistic care to improve quality of life and mitigate side effects. ·
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[00:00:00] Hey, welcome back everybody to telemedicine Talks. , I'm super excited to have this guest on. Been looking forward to having her on for quite a while. This is Dr. Nancy Sharma. , She's a board certified medical oncologist, licensed to practice in all 50 states with over 15 years of experience in oncology and hematology.
If you didn't know, , she has been , the past four years, the top, doctor award in Seattle Magazine and, , actually started her own telemedicine company called Thrive Integrative Cancer Care, which. We are gonna delve a little further into. But before we do that, Dr. Sharma, welcome to the show.
Super stoked to have you on. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much, Leo. I'm very, very happy to be here as well. Thank you. Yeah, no so, , I know we've known each other now for, it's been a while since the start of our telemedicine journey. I think we started our telemedicine journey together and it's been awesome to see you grow and add and do things.
And I know. Since you started and one of your main goals was to start your own telemedicine company, and so now [00:01:00] it's nice to see it realized. And so well, tell me about really how you started in one in medicine and then how you started in two, kind of your own journey. Yeah. How you started Thrive and how that came to be.
Yeah, thank you, for asking that. I think, so my journey into medicine, was more like natural process. my, my dad is a physician, my grandfather was a physician, so, , they had their own practices and I would go with them and I really loved the way they, connected with their patients and kind of was a no brainer.
I think I. Felt that I fit in that role and, so I worked hard. and I think with the guidance of, of course, my dad too, things went well. for oncology. Uh, it was a little different journey. ,I kind of went to different, other specialties and thinking about what I wanted to do when I was in internal medicine.
so when I came to, us, I, got interested in,[00:02:00] you know, gerontology and, , more like in geriatric population medicine. I, participated, , in some policy,learning about how nursing homes work. Kind of, it gave me a segue into. Hospice and, I did some work there and I felt really connected to, this patient population.
at the same time when I was doing that in, during my earlier years in, us, my, grandfather got diagnosed with multiple myeloma and I was, Of course, being a physician, very intrigued. And, so I took some time off after my gerontology master's. We went back to India, you know, just to be, you know, with the family and I didn't know what I wanted to pursue more.
and so I walked that journey with him for, some months, uh, he passed away rather quickly. but it kind of left kind of a void in me to know more about, why this happened. You know, what [00:03:00] is cancer, why it's like, causing so much, agony. And, and more than that, I think I will also touch by the side effects of treatments and whatnot.
And I felt that, um. Somebody needs to do something better. Yeah, I was, uh, very interested in research at that time. I did some research when I was in Chicago,in oncology. And once I got into residency, I kind of pursued that. I wasn't very sure because a part of me knew that this is gonna be a very, all involving field.
, You get to know your patients and you're walking with them. In this journey when they are really,very down and, and somebody needs to help them, but it can affect you as well. And but I think the more I did it, I felt very drawn to it. And I was very sure during this, after the second year, after I finished my.
Oncology rotation, bone marrow transplant units that I wanted to do oncology , and because I [00:04:00] was doing a lot of research, earlier on and then during my, residency, it helped me get into my oncology program. it was a very, um, uh, empowering experience during all this. I did. I was always fascinated, uh, one because of, because of my, what happened, in my family, , and how things were going with my grandfather.
I was always, very intrigued by , , how we can help people to mitigate their treatment. side effects. And if people would come to me about, okay, , my, naturopath has given me this medication. Can I take it? Or, yeah, can I do acupuncture? And I'm like.
Initially I was like, yeah, you could., It's not affecting, but slowly, I was like, I need to know more. Is it really helping these people? And when I came to Seattle, I saw that a lot of people were wanting to, have an alternate segue. , So then, , with all my training in oncology [00:05:00] where I wanted to treat people.
A lot of them cure, uh, I mean these medications can cure them and, but then they have a lot of side effects and then people are wanting to do something different. it was a point where I needed to, make a decision what, whether I'm going to. Get more information about it so I can guide my patients or I can just wash my hands and say, Hey, I don't know.
I don't think you should do it. it, uh, there's no benefit. Yeah. Um, so I started, you know, reading a lot, especially during the last, I would say six years, I have been allowing a lot of my patients to use alternate medication. I think it helped them because they were becoming more comfortable talking to me what all they were doing and taking, and then I could make sure they were not running into polypharmacy.
Right. You know, they're not taking like a bunch of things which may interact with their, , treatments. And I did notice that [00:06:00] people who. Delved in some alternate ways of,helping themselves during their treatments. they did better, you know? Yeah. they were more active. They had less side effects.
They,for whatever reason, I felt were kind of beating the,the conventional, , research, the timeframe, right? Yeah. Like you say, okay, you have this kind of cancer, okay. You're gonna live like, okay, maybe a year. I mean, things are changing. Of course in in oncology immunotherapy, things are.
Improved, you know, people who were living six months are living more than five years and whatnot. But even in cancers where we don't have a lot of, headway yet, where I would be like, okay, I don't know. This cancer has spread so much and you may die in like six months or three months.
I don't know. But some of them really surprised me. They were so determined to go and do whatever could help them. And, And that kind of, just opened my world towards it. And,I did some training,you [00:07:00] know, I did, Institute of Functional Medicine training and that kind of also helped me look into disease in a very different light.
Yeah. Like it is not just. You know how I can fix this. Uh, it's all about like, why do I have this? Yeah. In the first place now cancer is a, Is a disease where nobody wants to go. and the first question in everybody's mind is like, why me? Right? Yeah. What did I do wrong? Or what happened that this is now affecting me?
Of course, you know, a lot of time, personal, choices and how do you, manage your stress levels and and whatnot, and life happens to everybody and people just go through things. Emotions and without consciously realizing where to take a pause. And, I think that kind of motivated me to kind of do something about it.
I, I made, you know, some protocol and then in the meantime I think there were other [00:08:00] oncologists around the country also getting interested in this integrative, uh, medicine approach. a lot of major, institutes,MD Anderson, for example, city of Hope. they're opening integrative oncology departments.
They know that, some of the alternate medications need to be tested much more than, and not just, brushed aside. Yes. We cannot tell people yet that what can, if there are any alternate ways that can cure their diseases. Yeah. And, but at the same time, we know that. A lot of nutrition lifestyle.
they do help people live longer and why not cancer patients too? so that was the inspiration. And I think, when I'm doing this now in, in my own business, I can see people, Feel much more supported. Yeah. I think they feel, you know, they're not alone in this. And then secondly, you know, they have [00:09:00] measures which can be taken, which can help mitigate their, you know, treatment side effects, both short term and long term.
Yeah. Yeah. which is huge, you know, uh, it is all about quality of life at the end of the day. I think several points that you made are amazing. So first of all, you're correct, I think hematology and oncology, you know how you mentioned that? Yes. it's a very involved specialty.
Right? It takes a very special person to do it because you get involved too. I remember doing my pediatric residencies. Really, the patients that I remember the most were the Hemon patients because yes, I was part of their family day to day. I saw 'em multiple times during my residency shoot. I get Bruno, Laura.
I can name the names and remember the face. Yes, yes. Right. And, still follow 'em on Facebook. They're grown, but this is the most touching patients that I've been. So, yes. thank you for doing what you do because. medicine is physically demanding, but this is also emotionally, spiritually, and just wholly demanding.
And I think it's also amazing that you mentioned that, you know, you had a choice, a point in your career [00:10:00] where you could have taken the hard line and said, Hey, this is not science, quote science. Right. Or. The approach instead you took was like, Hey, maybe there's something with this. You know, this is not traditional, you know, western medicine, this is not what we learned in medical school or even in residency.
But you know, you had the word all to know that, hey, these people are getting better, for better, for worse, right? Or these people are getting better for different reasons. Is it actually the medicine or is it their involvement or both? and you've delved into it and I think. and now what you're telling me is that yeah, there's these bigger, set entities, MD Anderson and so forth and so on, that when you say their name, people listen.
Right. And if they're doing it, then of course it validates what it is. Right. So that's amazing. Yeah. Congratulations now and. So how are you doing that in your company and now in the telemedicine space as well? Couple questions. do you [00:11:00] see any difference, with what you're doing, with what you can do in telemedicine versus what you could have been doing in brick and mortar?
And is there a kind of a different approach or what benefits do you see, you know, with your company Thrive? Yeah, I think that's a great question. so Thrive is right now o only, like telehealth company. We are mm-hmm. I'm only seeing patients, um, you know, via, audio, video, visual, um, channels and, Some patients do ask me because I'm in Seattle and they're in Seattle, if we can meet, right. I think, uh, I'm, because I worked here for a long time, a lot of my patients, um, They know me. and it was an easy transition. You know, I think since COVID, a lot of people got used to Absolutely.
You know, having the, uh, telemedicine, as a platform and,sometimes yes, older people can find it a little challenging, but with technology and most of the platforms are [00:12:00] so user friendly, that, Most of the patients are able to, do that. I had like a 95-year-old from New York.
That's awesome. He, he was like, I, of course, you know, his daughter was also there with him. Right. But he was able to like, uh, they were in different places and so, she kind of. Probably walked him through that and he was able to talk to me and he said, I wish you were in New York.
I'll come meet you. And I said, it's all good. Look, I don't even have to be in New York. So I think, it is a great way to connect people. I mean, there are the boundaries of the physical boundaries have dissolve. Yeah. I can talk to people anywhere in us. Yeah. Um, so that is huge of course, for the business.
I think you made another good point too. So you mentioned that your patient was in New York, but their family members were where? I think somewhere in, Like up, I don't know, I think Boston or somewhere, right? Somewhere in East Coast. But not nowhere [00:13:00] near here. I think that's amazing.
That's very unique, right? Yeah. And like you could get the patient's family members together and they could be all across the United States. That's true. But still treat them holistically as a family, which is great. Correct? Yes. And that's the other thing. I
I love the telemedicine part of it because we can connect people without, Straining people to be physically present in one place. and, I think it has gone pretty good so far now with the platforms we have nowadays.
I mean, I can prescribe medications,Both herbal and allopathic medications, to wherever their pharmacies are. there is a great network of labs, so those can all be done anywhere in us and you just need to, kind of enroll in some of these bigger groups and, it's almost like doing business in brick and mortar.
So I don't find it any different than that. and, um, I think it's the quality like you and I are talking, you know, it just almost seems like we [00:14:00] are, together in a room, right? A face to face. No, absolutely. I don't, yeah. Yeah. It's like face to face. So it's not the same. I don't think people feel like, you need to be, you know, be.
Touching them all the time. there is a value to that. You know, maybe when people are going through treatments and you want to, examine them. and you know, some of the things can be challenging when you are on the, the video. but for the most part, most of my patients have their own oncologist.
Mm-hmm. Either it's, it's me or somebody else who they see on a routine basis. and, This is more like, a, um, brainstorming session as to how to help them, you know, go through what they're going through,easily and mitigate their side effects. And I have some patients who have had high, risk of cancer or mm-hmm.
They've had their cancer. Journeys completed and treatments completed. but they want to, make some conscious choices in their lifestyle [00:15:00] and wanna take, you know, supplements and things which may help prevent, cancer from coming back, you know, boost their immunity. help them improving their mitochondrial functioning level.
All those things, you know, help. and it's a different mindset, but I think It adds so much value, that I thinkmy vision is I hope all the oncologists in the world would, consider this for their patients. Well, and that's a great segue 'cause my next question is, well, what does a program look like?
Right? you know, I'm pretty ignorant about integrated medicine and what it does, but I'm looking at your website and there is, you know, you have kind of three big. uh, categories of programs, a cancer prevention program, cancer survivorship, and an active cancer program.
You may sign up for this cancer prevention program , by the way. So watch out for my name. but, um, what is integrative medicine and how does that play into cancer care? What, can we expect if we look into these programs? Yeah. each [00:16:00] of these three pillars, um, have a little bit different approach when you are actively going through, cancer.
our approach is more, towards, making sure that you are able to complete your, conventional, western. Protocols. Mm-hmm. Uh, appropriately. and you're not very,bothered by the side effects. You know, we are there To help you. Like with diet, uh, there are certain diets that are now shown to, help people, with having less chemotherapy side effects, like fasting mimicking diet.
So, we have these protocols. We have dietician, Who would, you know, sit down with our patients and they would, uh, guide them through what they should and should not eat prior to their cancer chemotherapy sessions. Um, these are,more tailored to each individual patient and where they are in their cancer, treatment protocols, because we don't want people to starve Yeah.[00:17:00]
When they are getting, treatments as well. So all these things are kind of weighed in very. individually for each patient. Yeah. And that's, a great way you, being an oncologist can really help because I know, okay, if somebody's going through a very intense treatment and they're gonna not be able to eat for a week what is the appropriate time of starting this diet?
And. how much, you know, percentages, of the drop in calorie intake we should be doing for these patients before the chemotherapy. And these people meet me more frequently and it's a more intense program. I meet them sometimes weekly or every two weekly, protocols because I, need to know how they're doing and if we need to make any adjustments based on where they are in their, uh, treatment journey.
They meet with our, we have,psychologists and, there are some trainers in the area, who, help with, certain treatments, yoga and tai chi [00:18:00] and even,basically other, partners in the local, area. And that's where I have to, when people are from other states, I need to know.
I kind of try to figure out what's available in their area and then our team would reach out to those people and say, you know, this is our patient and, we would like to work with you. And of course they're getting business. Yeah. So they're always happy. but you know, my hope is that we'll grow more.
I mean, we are just starting, so, and most of my patient bases in the Seattle area at this point. And, slowly, hope is we can move to other places. Yeah, no, it sounds like a very powerful tool. 'cause is that really part, you know, when you were going through your. Hemon residency, how much do they really pay attention to this?
Right. It's probably a more time we don't have time. Right? There's no time, healthcare in general is so stressed out. I mean, everybody in healthcare is overworking and, there's no [00:19:00] time when you are going through your oncology visit, some places it's like every 15 minutes and you're like.
How can you do justice in 15 minutes to what a patient is going through when they're going through such intensive treatments? And, some bigger places have, you know, resources which, you know, they can say, okay, you can meet our psychiatrist or psychologist mm-hmm. Can meet our nutritious, but these people maybe meet with them once during their whole, treatment plan.
and then they will write, you know, some. Plan. And they'll say, okay, then you can go to your oncologist and they can deal with it. Yeah. And the oncologist just busy. They don't want to Like, day today. Yeah, exactly. You're like, okay, how do I get through this day? And, you know, with one patient at a time and, you know, you need to slow down.
We need to slow down and take medicine. it should not be just an RVU based, system. It should be, quality based, And that's what patients deserve. Well, and that's what patients want too. I think, you know, especially in [00:20:00] this realm. Right. You know, I've definitely dealt with a lot of patients that.
You know, come with complications from, chemo or a new diagnoses of cancer. Unfortunately, I'm the one that's, breaking the news and These are a lot of questions they have. What can I do, what can I eat? How am I gonna survive this? And these questions obvious, honestly can't answer.
I just don't have the training. Right. And, it's kind of eye-opening to realize that, even when we send it to Hemoc. Sometimes, or a lot of times they don't have those answers. So, and this is what they want and what they need. This is probably why you're getting better, you're seeing better survival rates or better outcomes with these patients.
'cause they're, now they're involved in their care and they know that people care. No, this is amazing. And yeah, I would, I had love to see this grow further and further. 'cause I think, yeah, this is the very important part of cancer care or just care in general. and plus I love the family or the reach out that you [00:21:00] could connect family members so they could be a part of their care too.
coming from a big involved family, A lot of my family members have had diagnoses of cancer and it's a village out there. Right. And a lot of times they're like, well, what's going on? And a lot of times their kids don't know what's going on and how to help. So bridging that gap I think is huge, important, and I'd love to see more of that.
So that's super awesome. Right, And I think cancer prevention is a area which is very close to my heart. I feel as a country we are spending so much resources in. Finding cures or treatments. Yeah. And, but nobody's paying attention to, like, how can we prevent this from happening?
Yeah. Like we have to be like doubling our efforts much more than what we are doing in the treatment aspects, into prevention. We have to. educate our people to, eat right and, yeah. Exercise [00:22:00] or how much to work and how to like, meditate and how manage stress. I mean, we are just not told all these things.
and just from basic, like even from childhood, like, good. lunches for your schools, like healthy lunches for your schools, you know, no sodas in your school or all these things, you know, these are so important. as a community, we are lacking big time.
I'm seriously thinking about signing up, but now I'm kind of embarrassed to talk to you, being, you're gonna uncover all my bad habits. You're talking about sodas and stress and exercise and rest. I'm like, oh man, Jesus. No, really? I mean, I, myself, tell me I'm done.
yeah. No, soI thought I I was a. Person who was at least doing healthy things, you know? Yeah. When you see so much death in your life, a lot of my patients are end of life and you want to make sure that you are doing the right thing. And I always thought, I am eating organic food.
Yeah. I am [00:23:00] trying to, cut down my sugar. I don't drink much alcohol, coffee, tea, whatever. You know, all those things. And I'm trying to be mindful and. but still there was, a stress, as a physician. Yeah. We are so stressed out. We were, we are doing things, we are like running from morning to evening and, having your breakfast on the way in the car when you're going work.
I'm so guilty of all those. So Absolutely. You don't slow it down and that adds up. That adds up and, you're right. You know, we spend so much focus on treating, but really, especially, you know, you're talking to the physician population too. We're the worst. We're the worst.
Just for the reasons you said, you know, we're so good at treating others and taking care of others, right, that we never really take care of ourselves. Yeah. And a lot of what we talk about here on this podcast too is just wellness and mindset and really taking care of yourself. Right? A lot of us have taken this journey or have, pivoted to this [00:24:00] because we've realized that, everything's not all about brick and mortar.
Work,work, work. There is a room for that. Yes. But you know, I think, we need to, like you said, change our priorities, change our focus. And, no, it's eyeopening. Especially now, I'm getting older right. And reassessing my mortality and
A lot of the things I just kind of poo-pooed and it was like, whatever I'll deal with that later is now coming to head and I'm like, oh, maybe I should deal with this now. Yeah. it's eye opening that even. Little things can change our physiology so much. Yeah. it's amazing.
let's say, what is the top three things that you see often, in your patients when you're talking about cancer prevention, or really just any of the programs? What are the top three lifestyle modifications or treatments that you recommend? Yeah, I think the first and foremost is, what we put in our bodies.
Yeah. Diet is very, very, very number one, thing. [00:25:00] and it's just not like how much protein we eat or carbs we eat. It's like. What kind of foods they are, what is their source? How much preservatives are in them? it's just like how the society is.
Right? we have to kind of. Reinvent the wheels here. And, we don't think about it because we are so busy. We are like, okay, I, I had a good amount of, I had 60 grams of protein today. I think I had a good amount of, diet today. But,it's not just that. and also how you consume your food is important.
are you sitting down? are you kind of relaxed when you're eating? are you calm when you're, it's very important. Like I went to Europe, and people are just sitting outside eating for two hours. How do they find time to do that? You were like, it's amazing.
And I was so impressed. I'm like. Look at that. yes, we don't wanna waste time. I understand. Right? but even when we [00:26:00] have time, we don't do that. No. We're like still in a rush. we'll fill our minds with other things. Oh, we have to read this book or do this podcast,
we just want to. Make sure we, make time for our meals And put effort in them. I think that's very important. and second is of course, your body. Yeah. Your body is where everything is. So taking care of your body physically is important. doing some kind of.
Exercise or physical activity every single day is very important. Yeah. Yeah. And as part of that, taking care of your body, not just feeding it, and exercising, but also,keeping it in a, more central, Calmer, place. whether it's by doing breathing, whether it's with the different breathing techniques, people do these, you know, box breathing or, there's so many other breathing techniques you can Yeah.
learn to do doing it like multiple times a day to kind of keep you, to reset you [00:27:00] all throughout the day. I think that is very important. And, I think the third thing is, being mindful of, our mortality is very important too. I, I feel that that keeps me grounded. everybody is gonna go, right?
Yeah. So we are not here forever. so which also brings the point that when we are here, are we doing. You know what we are supposed to do. You know you utilizing your time wisely. because everything falls into place when you feel comfortable in your own mind that you are doing your, you are your best version.
This is your best version, right? not somebody else's, not what somebody else want you to be. this is what you. Are living your, best life. And I feel that most of my patients have that regret, when they are diagnosed with cancer that, oh, I did not [00:28:00] do what I wanted to do. You know, it's funny, just listening to this, I'm feeling a little regret too, like, oh man, is this really the quality and the best life I've had, you know, working this much and prioritizing.
Really the things I shouldn't necessarily prioritize. Right. You know, did I focus on children? You know, it's just running through my head and I'm like, oh man. Yeah, yeah. that's tough. it has become tough because of how our society has started. Unfolding. Yeah. And how things unfold in front of him.
And we just are then, we're just on this train and this train is going, oh yeah. In that direction, we need to just get out of this train and, Yeah. there's another train. Anytime you try to get off too, people are pulling you back on saying, Hey, why aren't you going on this train with us?
Right? Yes. Yes. And you feel bad, you feel guilty, you feel like you're not doing the right thing, when in fact you may actually be doing what's best for you, Which is even tougher, right? Because you're right. these norms that we have and our expectations, you know, it's [00:29:00] tough. and just listening to this top three, you know, remembering how I throw my breakfast at my kids while we're driving and they're eating their breakfast in the car, 15 minutes before I drop in there, you're not alone.
I need to change. that's, yeah. No, this is great. No, I think the service is amazing. don't be surprised if my name pops up on your schedule. awesome. And yeah, because absolutely. I think, if the listeners out there, if you haven't really, you know, closely looked in what you're doing and just kind of just what we've talked about, I think, it's time to do so and just,
investigate, Hey, am I doing what I can be doing? It's not really how long you write, but it's a quality of life. Right. And you know, that's a great question to ask yourself now. we are getting close to time, but the last question I always ask people now is, Hey, when you go back and talk to your intern self, let's say day one of your intern year, knowing what you know now and experiencing what you experienced, what would you tell your intern self on day one of your intern year?
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I would tell myself not to, worry so much. I think all, throughout my, residency and fellowships, I would worry, you know,I was always, anxious about how I was doing and I think coming from. Another country, you always want to make sure that you are accepted, that you belong into a place.
You, overdo things. You're trying to make sure that you are the first one up on the floor. You are the last one to leave and you are there. and, which helps I think you become a, a good doctor by doing all that. but it does. take a toll on your mind and body to, worry so much.
So I would tell my intern self, look at me. It's okay. Don't worry so much. Right. if things will fall into its places and, I have found that, I belong here. I always belonged here. Yeah, absolutely. And I just should not have doubts, you know? and also to believe in yourself.
Yeah. which is [00:31:00] very important. No, that's amazing. I think the service you're offering is, I think, a powerful tool that everybody should be investigating. check it out. it's Thrive integrative cancer care.com. Right. Correct. do you have, do you have social handles too? how can they find you on?
I do. How about, Instagram and Facebook and, on Instagram? what's your handle there? I think it's, hashtag thrive. Okay. Yeah. Awesome. Check it out. And, Nancy, thank you so much for joining us. if you have any questions, concerns, please, drop us a line at info@telemedicinetalk.com.
You could reach myself at leo@telemedicinetalk.com and Dr. Sharma at, her website, the Thrive integrative cancer care.com. Check it out. And I, you'll probably be hearing from me pretty soon through that website as well. Thank you so much for your time. Yeah. And it's awesome to see you doing this finally.
'cause I know this is kind of what your main goals were when you started that. And you know, we started this journey together, so it's awesome to see [00:32:00] this come to fruition. Congratulations. Thank you so much, Leo. Thank you for having me. No problem. Thanks for your time. And yeah, see y'all later. Tell us and talks.