Dr. Leo Damasco and Phoebe Gutierrez welcome Hayley Smith, as she shares her inspiring path from personal struggles with her body to helping women overcome fertility challenges, the realities of building a bootstrapped telemedicine practice, and her vision for expanding care through a collaborative model.
What if your fertility struggles were actually the start of your empowerment?
In this episode of Telemedicine Talks, Haley Smith joins hosts Dr. Leo Damasco and Phoebe Gutierrez to discuss her journey into women’s health and fertility. A functional nutritionist and certified fertility awareness practitioner with a master’s in nutrition from the National University of Natural Medicine, Haley founded the Holistic Fertility Clinic and hosts the Fertility Freedom Podcast.
She opens up about overcoming disordered eating, limiting family beliefs around entrepreneurship, and the “insane” decision to start her own practice with no roadmap. The conversation covers the power of taking imperfect action, unwinding negative self-talk, the freedom (and challenges) of practicing in a less-regulated holistic space, and how telemedicine has allowed her to serve clients worldwide. Haley also explores her interest in expanding her clinic through a PC MSO model to bring on PAs/NPs, provide more comprehensive care (including diagnostics and prescriptions when needed), and maintain the heart-centered approach her patients love.
Listeners will hear powerful success stories of women conceiving after years of struggle and gain insight into root-cause, whole-person fertility care.
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About the Show
Telemedicine Talks explores the evolving world of digital health, helping physicians navigate new opportunities, regulatory challenges, and career transitions in telemedicine.
About the Guest
Haley Smith is a functional nutritionist, fertility awareness practitioner, and podcaster. She is the founder of the Holistic Fertility Clinic and host of the Fertility Freedom Podcast. With a master’s degree in nutrition from the National University of Natural Medicine, Haley helps women communicate with their bodies, understand their cycles, and overcome fertility challenges through a holistic, root-cause approach.
Connect with Haley Smith on:
Instagram: @haleysmith.hfc
New Official Clinic Page: @HolisticFertilityClinic
About the Hosts:
[00:00:00] Hey, welcome back everybody to Telemedicine Talks. As always, we have your host, Phoebe Gutierrez and myself, Leo Damasco. And today, super excited to have our guest today, Hayley Smith . She is a functional nutritionist, fertility awareness practitioner and podcaster. She is the founder of the Holistic Fertility Clinic and host of the Fertility Freedom Podcast, where she helps women learn to communicate with their body, understand and overcome their fertility challenges.
she is a functional nutritionist, like I mentioned, and fertility awareness practitioner with a master's degree in nutrition from the National University of Natural Medicine. So welcome. Thank you for taking your time. awesome to have you on. Yeah, so excited to be here. Thank you Phoebe and Leo.
Can't wait to see what we could , dig into. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's always an open book. But, one of the questions we always like to ask is, hey, you're doing this,you know, this Holistic Fertility Clinic, you're doing, telemedicine, that's how it ties in.
But really, we always like to hear people's story on how they [00:01:00] got to where they are. is this like- Yeah ... did you see yourself doing this when you were growing up or is it just... How did you get to where you were? by being insane is probably the most accurate answer. no, gosh, I did not come from a background of entrepreneurs whatsoever.
I'm the first entrepreneur in my family, and we can g- dig into the challenges that came with that. But I grew up, with a history of disordered eating and being really just hard on my body, and it led me to wanting to study nutrition. but it was coming from this place of, wanting to control my body.
but thankfully, what it blossomed into was, like, really do loving the medicine and being fascinated by the body. And when I was in school, I was always on the edge of my seat whenever any time women's health was getting brought up or understanding that we could get pregnant and how the menstrual cycle works and,even pregnancy and lactation, I was just like, "Our body can do what?"
it was... gave me full body chills. So it was really just a passion of what led me to following women's health. And I studied at the National University of Natural Medicine, like you said, out in Oregon, and [00:02:00] I was very blessed to study under some of the top naturopathic doctors in the field. And, I think it was just, a random weekend, I was close to graduation, and I remember there was a flyer on the bulletin board of the school I was at that was like fertility weekend, seminar.
And at that time I was just, eating up everything I could about the fertility field. And that ended up being a weekend about the fertility awareness method, and that's where I finally learned, for the first time in my life, I think I was in my late 20s, that women can't get pregnant every day of the cycle, and there's only a very specific window that we can, and my jaw was just on the ground, learning this for the first time.
And understanding that everything we were taught growing up was mostly a lie, and there was so much fear-mongering about it. So that really, lit my passion even further, and when, is the reason I went on to get certified as a fertility awareness provider. and thankfully or not thankfully, whenever I graduated from an UNM, the naturopathic and holistic field, it's not regulated in a lot of ways, which [00:03:00] they, I'm happy it wasn't because it gave me a lot more freedom.
but it was also hard because there weren't a lot of, job opportunities to go apply for. They were looking for, a registered dietician. I was someone who has my master's in nutrition, so it was just, it wasn't, as streamlined as the traditional medicine field wants it to be. it was confusing.
So thankfullyI was like, "Oh, I'll, I wanna start my own business. That sounds great. I wanna work for myself," having no idea, what that actually meant or what being an entrepreneur really was really gonna require. but I started. I did something. And, and because of what I just said, a lot of my classmates did the same.
We were all just trying to, start our own thing. and very slowly I saw them drop off. But for some reason it's really just a story of, you can't fail if you don't quit, which I think is what I attribute to my success in, as in my practice now. but I kept just kinda getting, these little, winks from the universe that I was on the right path, and I was learning along the way.
It was very much a bootstrap situation. so yeah, I think it's just,my passion for women's [00:04:00] health and learning that I really do like the entrepreneur and business side of it, too. and it just, it snowballed into what it is now. So that's the overview. it's really interesting that you mention you had the idea, and you basically almost jumped, in the deep end first and started figuring it out after that.
Yes. that's been a common kind of theme, with the guests that we've been talking about, Pheebs? just our most recent guest actually,was talking about mindset and getting over kind of that fear of doing something and, following the dream. And she was saying just exactly like what you did, is just "You just gotta do it.
You gotta do your dream- Just go for it ... and do it, and then figure it out later," right? And I think, es- especially where we are all at, we have the knowledge, the ability to figure things out, right? what was your biggest thing, when you were standing there at the precipice of, "Am I gonna do this or not?"
What do you think your biggest kind of inhibitor was, your speed bump was before you were like, "All [00:05:00] right. this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm going for it"?
One, I just wanna echo what you said of like I would tell anyone who's interested in starting their business, like you will learn the most by taking action. But if you can do, like if you can squish down that time it takes you from the idea to taking action, like that is going to fuel your success.
Speaker 4: I remember
I was a week away from graduating and I was like making a website on Wix, like not knowing what I was doing but just doing something.
Registering for a business, whatever that meant. but honestly, 'cause it's like I started it, but then it's like I had to go get a job 'cause I had no money. So it's it was like, it was a lot of one foot in, one foot out, back and forth. Yeah. And we can go as deep as you want with this, but it was really the narrative that I had growing up of "You're not someone who's gonna have your own business.
Like we, we're not entrepreneurs." So it was really those limiting beliefs around my family system and, not having the support that I could do this. And I think, it was a mirror for myself too, was like, did I really believe that I could do this? but there was this narrative of you follow the rules of life, you graduate college, you go get a job, [00:06:00] then you get married, then you have kids.
It was just... and I took a wildly different path and that came with a lot of challenges. But,Phoebe, I think we've talked about this, like entrepreneurship, it's personal growth on crack. And it has been very true for me- Yeah ... of, as I've grown and become more comfortable with myself and developed this self-trust and self-confidence, my business has grown right alongside of that.
and a lot of that, for me to answer your question, was unwinding the patterns that I grew up with and that I absorbed from, starting from a very young age. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, this positive self-talk I think, another common theme, right? Again, I don't know. I don't know if it's timely, the universe, just like confirming itself.
But again, just the person we talked to right before you, same thing. Yeah. Hey, it's the positive talk, despite all the external factors around you saying, "No, you can't do it ." And actually internal factors as well, right? Like you, there's this belief, a lot of us too, you're right, we are so ingrained in, hey, this is steps.[00:07:00]
You go from box A to box B to box C, and if you deviate, you're like, "Oh, I don't know. I don't know. You're kinda weird." Yeah. But, It's terrifying, like differentiating from your family and like the people who raise you, and to take a different path, like to be the first person who does that, it's terrifying, and it comes with a lot of challenges, but it, I found the most reward in it, for sure.
That's amazing. and I think, like traditionally, even in medicine, right? So traditionally building a private practice- You needed a facility, you needed all these supplies, you need all this equipment, you need all these things, right? And so I do think that sometimes people think, and that is a lot of what goes into this, "Oh, you can't do it because you don't have the capital, you don't have this."
But now with, like, virtual health and technology, I tell a lot of my clients, start telemedicine, you start virtual because there's less overhead. You're able to reach more people. And you can still Have that rewarding type of relationship with patients. ,
Speaker 9: Especially, like you have
[00:08:00] clients ,
Gosh, all over the world, which I think is really cool. and if you went thinking about things like a traditional sense, you wouldn't be able to reach as many people, but also you would've limited yourself so significantly that, yeah, it probably would've been a lot harder, from day one.
100%, and that's what I was saying. It's like good news, bad news that the degree I got, my master's in nutrition, like it didn't follow the traditional medicine path. But it gave me a lot more freedom because I haven't been limited by, a state licensure at this point, which, Phoebe, we've had a lot of conversations about, and there's good to bad in that, too.
but yeah, there's been freedom in it , and you just kinda have to be insane enough to chip away at it and like keep going and see what comes of it. And what state are you located in? I'm currently in Michigan. Got it. Got it. And, it's funny too, 'cause I've been talking to a lot of naturopaths and holistic medicine practitioners.
and, th- they also mirror y- your
Speaker 19: sentiment
about, yes, [00:09:00] they love the freedom, and you kinda mentioned it before. some states, some locations, you can't practice in, right? They won't let- ... you practice in. It's a challenge. how do you tackle that challenge and, how do you basically tackle there's pluses but also the limitations that you have ?
Yeah, absolutely. And it's been this balancing act. one, very clear upfront, like in my contracts, of what the work is we're doing, and that it is essentially, I think, the most legal way to say is like it's like a coaching model. I'm not giving medical advice. I'm not prescribing anything.
I am not, diagnosing anything. So being really clear in that, and just being really clear upfront that what I'm doing is recommendations. so contracts and like making the l- making sure the legality of that is, is where it needs to be. but to your point, that's... this is how I met Phoebe, because I w- I'm practicing and like things are flowing and like it's great, and I'm, I'm using social media to, to grow this clientele, but there w- there has this, there was this question of do I have a s- a stable foundation?
Meaning, [00:10:00] if I'm not the center of this business, can it grow? Or... 'Cause I think, you know, what I have found is in what I... TikTok is my biggest stream of revenue and my clientele. There's going to be the people who don't care about your degree or your license or, any of that. they just, they want what works.
But there's also gonna be the people that like be like, what's your degree? Where are you licensed?" And like I was just like, I was just curious of how could I just create that stronger foundation for myself- As someone who's not having to practice under like a regulation or a licensure. And,talking about like personal growth, somewhere along the way I had this crazy idea of "I could be a doctor.
I could go to medical school." And that would've been 20-year-old me would've never had that thought or just the belief that I could do that. And transparently, as I was talking to my therapist and it was just like, "Should I do that? should I go back to medical school? I'm growing in my career.
I know that I love medicine. I know that I can... I believe that I can do this." I kind of grow- I grew up just getting the messaging of "Oh, no, you like, go marry a doctor, but like you're not the doctor, but you should go marry a doctor." So getting to this point of "No, wait, [00:11:00] I could be the doctor."
it was fascinating. It was like, oh my gosh, it was a huge breakthrough just like for my personal growth. so that kind of led me down the path of "Oh my God, I'm... Fuck, am I actually gonna go back to medical school or apply?" And I was looking at like MCAT things. It was the whole thing.
And then got to a point of "Do I want that for my personal life? Do I actually want to go to school for the next 10 years?" So then I was exploring PA school, and that's how I came across Phoebe, and she gave me this like beautiful third door of way of doing things, and it really opened my eye to how I can grow this practice and give myself a stronger foundation.
And a huge motivation of it, too, to your point of the limitations that I'm currently up against of wanting to provide my patients more well-rounded care because I can't prescribe things or I can't diagnose. and just as an example, one of the biggest things in the fertility field that I'm seeing right now that's preventing people from conceiving and growing their family Just an easy example is like thyroid disorders.
And traditional medicine, uses much wider ranges that don't actually serve women in the way that we want it to. [00:12:00] So I was like, "How can I provide my patients more well-rounded care and just keep everything under one roof?" 'Cause I was running into having to refer out, but then breaking the warm, heart-centered, passionate care that we've been able to provide.
So I was like, "I wanna be able to diagnose. I wanna be able to just give them the medication that they need without having to
Speaker 10: break this care ." ,
Speaker 15: But , I love it
what Phoebe kind of opened my eyes to of doing it this third way of creating like a PC MSO, it's just opened my eyes, and
It feels just so much more in, in alignment of, of a ways of doing things, and follows, my trajectory from the get-go of doing things my own way and being a rebel in the field, if you will. and I also think, one of the things that we talked about too is,as somebody who does this by myself, and, Leo, who does things by himself, sometimes you just want somebody that you can talk to, almost like a partner.
Yeah. And so it's, we're exploring, and it's you can get a nurse, you can get a physician assistant, or you can get- Yes ... a nurse practitioner . you can find people, and then actually teach them. It benefits them what you're doing. they have, the appropriate licensure to be able, to do those things.
But then you're also not [00:13:00] isolated, 'cause it... Sometimes being, you know, a, a business owner and an independent contractor is a little isolating, and you just want, somebody to talk to. It was really sweet. I was with, I was in New Orleans with Ashlyn- a couple weeks ago. And she's like, "Oh, yeah, I've been talking to Haley ," And
Speaker 17: it's just,
nice
to get to talk to somebody who's like- there's no fear of "Am I doing this wrong? Am I gonna be judged?" It's just like you guys are getting to talk clinically, and it's nice to have that sometimes. 100%. I mean, so when I had this like grand idea of going back to medical school and becoming a doctor,one of the things that like shifted my mind around is like wait, like that's still me doing everything.
So now you're gonna go be a doctor, you're gonna have way more responsibility, and you're gonna be running a business. Like that does- that's not conducive with this life I'm trying to lead here. not to mention it was a relief when I was like, "Okay, I'm not gonna go back to school for the next 10 years of my life."
but yeah, no, to your point, it's like I... And what I was saying in the beginning, yes, I love being a provider. I adore helping women and my patients, but I also really [00:14:00] like the business aspect of it, and I want to be that, in that CEO role. So being able to bring on other providers in this unique way, it gives me that collaboration.
'Cause like I don't know everything. Like I love collaborating with Ashlyn and being like, "Hey, what..." We were- I was just asking about like a glucose monitor. "Which one do you like? Where do you like to see your ranges?" that's the best. and it serves our patients better 'cause I can get one-track minded too, but having that outside approach is everything.
So getting to be the business owner, be the CEO, provide my patients, and provide them more well-rounded care with other providers that I can collaborate with, that sounds like a dream come true. Yeah, no, that's amazing. It's amazing. Probably a good call not to go back to medical school too.
Like- like- You're getting for the buck nowadays too ... having the belief that, I could do it, I think that's what I needed. 'Cause I, when that, when I kinda, had that thought stream, I was like, I showed up in my business differently. Yeah. I was showing up more confidently of "Oh, I could do this."
but it was a big relief and I was like, "Okay, I'm not gonna do this thinking this. You- you know, but that's a great point though, just the belief, just the dream [00:15:00] of having it. Yeah. Gosh, I don't know. connecting it back again, that was another point. It was just- just having the positive belief- That's it
or just that dream is- is a net positive even if it doesn't come through, right? So no, that's- The belief that you can do it ... that's great. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause it- it shifted everything for me, and it just gave me so much more confidence. and, maybe in a le- other lifetime I will go be a doctor, but, I'm so happy with where I'm at right now.
No, I think it, I think it's- it's interesting 'cause a lot of the, clients I talk to... yeah, I remember our first meeting and you were like, "Yeah, should I go be a PA?" And
Speaker 12: I'm all, "No." Eh. I wouldn't do that if I were ...
I love PAs. Yeah. I just don't... You don't need to do all that. but a, half of it is, yeah, just understanding the right path, realizing kind of the, the way that you can actually execute on the thing that you're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 8: and then to your point ,
like, feeling really confident in the work that you're doing, which, one, I wanna say out of, all the different kind of fertility providers, I feel like I hear and I see the most success from you. And I'm not just- ... [00:16:00] saying that because- Thank you
I know
Speaker 16: I adore what you do ,
but I truly, like... I don't know how you do what you do,
Speaker 11: Hailey
it is really cool to get to see, I was telling Leo before you hopped on, like- About four positive pregnancy tests in a week Hey.
Speaker 21: That is
very cool -
Thank you ... for somebody who has a small holistic private practice, Yeah. I really appreciate that, and it is just the passion of, the women's body and understanding what it can do, and the belief that, once it comes back to balance, like fertility is this natural extension.
and listen, like I, I was just... Like I was telling you guys, like the wintertime there was kind of this stretch of like, "No one's gotten pregnant recently, what's going on?" But it's like just staying the course and like believing in the medicine is... I'm s- I'm so passionate about it. And, yeah, gosh, there's been crazy stories.
One of the, one of the women who were involved in that group of four who conceived this past week, she was like, before she came to work with me, she hadn't conceived for three years. And then we worked with her for six months, and she conceived twice. Unfortunately, the first one ended in a miscarriage.
But she was [00:17:00] like, "The fact that I conceived twice in six months, and I had things for three years," it just it renews my spirit and my love for this medicine. And it's,yeah, it's the best. and yeah, I think something else that, Phoebe, you really helped me realize, and having gone through...
'Cause I've been interviewing PAs, really since the springtime. It's, we're going very slow and intentional with the process, so we haven't hired one yet. But what I've also realized and opened my eyes to is, like I'm offering something that they actually can't. So it, it's just different skillsets.
And, there are, which I think is so cool of like PAs and NPs that I'm talking to, like they're so hungry to understand this medicine. And, like they don't have the skillset yet. So it's not like one person needs to have everything, but again, Phoebe, like what you opened my eyes to is, can we create this whole puzzle with the skills that they have of like being able to prescribe and doing the medication when it's necessary?
Because there is a time and place for medication. Yes, I run a holistic clinic, but like I'm not gatekeeping any medication for people who need it. and whenever [00:18:00] we can combine in the functional lab work, the gut work, the hormone pathway work, that more holistic approach, it's just the best. It's like it's so beautiful, and it's well-rounded, and that's whole-person approach that I'm after.
S- but it's just been, it's just eye-opening, and I think gave me that confidence boost, too, of there are PAs and NPs who are hungry to get out of the system, out of that traditional medical system. And they're like, "Yes, please. tell me what you know, because something is missing here." So that's been really eye-opening, too.
Yeah. it's funny, and Leo can probably speak to this, too, just because, we work with a lot of, you know- The interesting thing is when providers jump out of the traditional setting and they try to go private practice,they're faced with... I have a client right now who, women's health clinic, she, originally j- started it because of her own, health issues and- Yeah
frustration with not being able to find a provider locally, and all of those things. And then even with her doing all this training, getting up to speed, doing all of this stuff, she still is getting patients every single day where it's like, "I don't actually know what to do in this instance- Wow
because- Yeah ... [00:19:00] there's this condition or this condition. And it has been this really interesting thing where I've been talking to her. Leo's her collaborating physician. but she's "But I also just wanna talk to other people,
So to me it's this beautiful thing where you see like providers really trying to learn this other side of medicine, which is a lot of like how do you balance the hormones? How do you- Yeah ... take these, all of these conditions and map them on top of each other so it reaches a person's like ultimate goal, whether that's, having a baby, or, just being able to sleep again, or, getting to have sex with their husband again.
Yeah. all of those things which I think are so interesting. But, to your point, it's been n- almost like not a one-size-fits-all. it's like you, you do need to have the conversations, like the peer-to-peer provider conversations to learn those things. Yeah. because it, a lot of it comes with experience.
A lot of like my, the older physicians, and I don't wanna say older because that just makes it sound like they're- Old . I know.
Speaker 22: experienced. Seasoned. Mature. We use mature .
Speaker 23: Mature. the more experienced- Yeah ... providers in, in [00:20:00] the female space are like, "Oh, no, I know exactly what to do," because they've- they have that lived
Experience, which I think is really interesting and important. But- Sorry to go down my women rabbit hole. No, this is great. Sorry. Oh, But- ... for me, I think that's what makes women's health so interesting and what makes female providers so interesting because they, like every provider regardless of what they say, or at least that I've met on the female health side, has really tried to focus on that root cause of like what is- Yeah
causing this thing? And it's turned into
Speaker 26: like, well, you know, there's
all these things because the women, you know, female body, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Complex . Totally. And as you're saying, I'm like I wonder I was like did this all shift in 2020 with the pandemic where ... A- and again, just what you guys are providing us, us providers, is just, it's such a gift because whether the pandemic was the start of it or not, but I think it's coming from both angles of like providers are fed up with the traditional system, but then also like patients are demanding more.
They're demanding more conversation [00:21:00] versus 10-minute visits. They're demanding like root cause answers. a lot of patients who are coming into my clinic, like it's a collaboration. they have done their TikTok homework. They have done all the research they can. They're wanting someone just to come in and like clear the noise and streamline it for them, and that's what I see a lot of my job as.
Speaker 18: but
it's an exciting time for the medical space because again, you guys are providing this third door for so many of us who want to have a private practice, where we're like, "We're gonna do this our way." "We're gonna treat patients the way that we want them to," then especially women who have been so dismissed.
endometriosis, for example, just to give a concrete example, has been just such a big topic in my clinic recently. Like on average, it takes women eight to 10 years to get diagnosed, which is insane, because they're being told their period pain is normal whenever they're like hunched over, nauseous, like it takes them out for the entire day.
It's insane. So just being able to have the medical providers or, the practices shift in this way to just doing things how they should've always been done, it's a really exciting time, and I think it's, it's really [00:22:00] come from, again, providers being fed up and then patients just demanding more, and just like they're not gonna stand for the care that they've been given anymore.
Which I'm like, "Hell yeah." this is amazing. Yeah. and I, and too, I think that,the cash pay telemedicine market is really kind of - opened people's eyes of "Oh, wait, I can pay cash and actually, you know- ... almost like a la carte, services, that I need." But, yeah, to your point, I have clients that are, I wanna be able to spend two hours with a client if I need to, or a patient.
Yeah. Yeah. I
Speaker 7: don't want to ever
Feel The confines of all of that stuff. And, like at the end of the day, like it'll shake out, and it's like, you know, to me- Yeah ... I think that's the way that healthcare should be provided. And I don't know, I always joke, like I've been blessed. I've worked with physicians my whole adult life.
So I have a very big bias on, I don't go to Kaiser very often. Yeah. I get my labs paid for, I go to Kaiser. The rest of it, like last night my son wasn't feeling well. [00:23:00] Leo, like Lynn- Yeah ... just talk to Leo. I have you know, so many clients that if I need help with something, I was talking to one of my other, female doctors and she was like, "You need testosterone, and here's this-
and here's that. Go get your..." You know, I, I wish other people got to experience the like- Yeah ... honest , raw, medical advice that so many physicians aren't able to do because they're so nervous and in that confine of a protocol or an insurance loophole. Yeah. I think this opens, another can of worms.
And, what we're describing, it's not perfect, 'cause I really wanna respect and honor that, some people can't pay cash pay. But it opens up this whole other conversation that you guys probably are more well-versed in than I am, but of just insurance. And I think it's another thing that I see people getting fed up with is just the insurance system, and how a lot of it is just such a scam, and people are like, "Let me just go pay for what I can."
Or people who have insurance who are, like, paying more than people who don't have it. Like, it's, again, I don't know. It's, it just sounds, really messy and really messed up. so yeah, it's not [00:24:00] perfect, but I see a lot of it shifting, and it's exciting. Yeah. it's nice. It was almost like a perfect storm, right?
the pandemic proved the concept, right? and almost out of necessity, the concept- ... had to blossom. But, entrepreneurs like yourself took that concept and said, "Hey, there's that missing piece," right? Like you were saying. And it's great to see, because now, providers all across the board are,getting into people's, literally into people's homes- and having that conversation, and, being able to see people, in where they are. and people love it, right? they don't wanna go- Yeah ... to a clinic and wait 20 minutes, and even just find a clinic, depending on where they are, right? Your reach is probably way bigger than what it is w- if, instead of, throwing up a shingle on a building, right?
So
Speaker 6: it's amazing .
Yeah.
Speaker 14: I think my furthest
client is in Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 2: which has been pretty
Speaker 3: exciting .
Shut it. Yeah. Really? That's super cool. Yeah. It's the best. And, again, it's been one of the biggest blessings of just the route I've [00:25:00] taken of not being limited by, by licensure and confines.
so yeah, literally seeing people all over the world, which has been the best. That's great. hey- Yeah ... we are wrapping up on time. this is great. But- Yeah ... one question we always like to ask too is, hey, going back to yourself just graduating, right? What would you tell your graduation plus one self, anything,
if you could tell him anything, what would you tell him?
It goes back to what we said in the beginning, and it's so simple but truly the most powerful thing of, you just have, you have to start. You have to take action. And you can't fail if you don't stop. And again, that's been the story of my journey- love that ... and what I would tell anyone who's interested in having their own business and practice.
That's great. I love that. Phoebe, any- Yeah ... any closing thoughts? No, just, I'm really excited to see where your practice lands and have you- Thank you ... grow. And it has just been, it has been just an amazing journey watching you explore all the [00:26:00] angles and, think through all the things so deeply and carefully and, really doing it, in my opinion, the right way, the thoughtful way.
Thank you.
Speaker 24: but yeah, keep going, Haley. I love it. Thank you .
I keep saying I love my Instagram updates Speaking of that, yeah, how do they find you? what's your socials? Oh, thank you. TikTok and Instagram, I'm haleysmith.hfc, Holistic Fertility Clinic. We did just start a official clinic page, Holistic Fertility Clinic, on Instagram.
but those would be the best places that people can find me and follow along. nice. And I just have to say, Phoebe, you have been so much part of the success in this past year and growing in the way that we have. Again, just giving me, this third door and belief that things can be different and I don't have to go back to medical school for the next 10 years of my life.
so what you guys are doing is just so incredible of helping us stay compliant and, we're not gonna get in trouble for doing things the way that we're going to do. But I tell everyone, I was like, "No, I'm, like, working with this badass in California who's, gonna be so compliant, but also, she works for us, and, she's going to find the third [00:27:00] door."
And, I think just what you're doing for the medical field is incredible, so thank you guys so much. Phoebe, that should be on your business card. I was like, "She's such a badass." "She's gonna make s- she's gonna make sure you're legal and that you're compliant." But, she's also gonna stand up for you and, make sure that you're not getting screwed over.
And I'm like, "That's my type of people," so. Well, cool. Thank you so much for your time. Oh, thank you, guys. We loved this. We totally appreciate it. And, yeah, follow Haley, at her socials and, check her out. to everybody out there, thank you for listening, and we'll check you out next time. Bye all.
Thank you.